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written by Bellum on Jun 20, 2007 19:49
Theres a moral to this story.
doing pushups
written by Megagun on Jun 20, 2007 20:11
Bgreman said:
Hello! said:
Oh, shift+delete = skip recycle bin. Sure I can set it up so it will automatically do that, but I've gotten used to shift+deleting, so changing it would probably seriously confuse me.
This.

When people see me do it they go, "What was that?" I tell them I just deleted the file without dealing with the recycle bin, and they always worry, "What if you accidentally deleted something?"

In the four years I've known about shift+delete, I've only ever accidentally deleted something TWICE, and both occurred when I was drunk.
...and yet STILL even when you do shift+delete, the data isn't actually gone yet!
krush kill 'n destroy
written by Geekofdeath on Jun 20, 2007 20:20
Yeah.... you'd have to install some sort of software that completely eliminates the file off the hard drive. I wouldn't be surprised if several criminals were caught because the police undeleted files off their hard drive.
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written by Medeivalstargazer on Jun 20, 2007 23:21
So how do you recover files that were emptied from the recycle bin exactly? And for the record, I'm a high-schooler and I have known about linux since middle school Most, if not all, of my friends know of linux as well... I don't think it's uncommon for a high schooler to know of it. Using it, on the other hand, is totally different. (Me and my friends are the type of people who host LANs... so geeks heh).
faces or a vase?
written by Tom on Jun 21, 2007 02:02
There's lots of software out there, much of it free. (see this list, for example. I once used the first program in that list to recover files from a drive that had been quick-formatted by the Windows installer.)

Also, I only knew two people (outside of the Computer Science AP class, where it was briefly discussed) who had ever heard of Linux, and they were unusual people...

I might also mention that (as I referenced once in an earlier thread) they finally canceled the Computer Science AP class at my school...there were pressing budget constraints, but I've always wondered if there wasn't more to it than that, which brings this post slightly more on-topic: the network administrator at my high school (I'm now an alumnus ) once told me something like:

"Linux is a hobbyist's OS. It can never be anything more, and learning Linux skills is not useful, because in the real world, everyone uses Microsoft software. No business will ever run Linux under any circumstances. The reason for this is that Microsoft products are much more secure, because they are proprietary, and have a regular patch cycle, as opposed to "open-source" software like Linux which is maintained largely by volunteers, and so it is MUCH less secure, and can never be a competitor to real OSes. I know this because I have been in the computer industry for 25 years. Stop wasting your time."

This guy was hard to argue with, since he'd been in the business for 25 years, and he claimed that the Cincinnati Public School district forbade the teaching of programming in schools due to the possibility that a student might learn how to violate the (often ridiculously and pointlessly restrictive) network security, in spite of the gaping security holes which were often discovered by resourceful students with no more than Internet Explorer and a little knowledge of windows networking). He claimed that he'd had to argue long and hard for letting us have the computer science class. I never did find out whether that was true or not. I could go on and on about this whole mess, but I won't; it's just that this sort of thing really angers me. Sorry for the long post.
krush kill 'n destroy
written by Geekofdeath on Jun 21, 2007 02:27
Medeivalstargazer said:
And for the record, I'm a high-schooler and I have known about linux since middle school Most, if not all, of my friends know of linux as well... I don't think it's uncommon for a high schooler to know of it. Using it, on the other hand, is totally different. (Me and my friends are the type of people who host LANs... so geeks heh).
I doubt any of my friends know anything about Linux. They'd probably think it's some sort of brand of window cleaner. We're heading into high school next year.

Now that I think of it, I'm probably going to ask them tommorow during summer school (PhysEd! Not regular, I'm not dumb).

However, I do know a few who would have probably heard of it.... although most of them are Runescape freaks.... euch.

Tom said:
I might also mention that (as I referenced once in an earlier thread) they finally canceled the Computer Science AP class at my school...there were pressing budget constraints
My arse, they should be taking out... oh I don't know..... family and consumer science and maybe that "We are all winners, damnit." doctrine that annoys the hell out of us. You know, the carebear type of education that seems prominent in schools today.... READ TO SUCCEED!! LEARN TO EARN!! DRESS FOR SUCCESS!!

Network Administrator said:
No business will ever run Linux under any circumstances.
It just so happens that...

Wikipedia said:
According to market research company IDC, 25% of servers and 2.8% of desktop computers ran Linux as of 2004.
Wikipedia said:
The difficulty of measuring the exact number of deployments becomes apparent when looking at IDC's report for Q1 2007, which says that Linux now holds 12.7% of the overall server market.
Wikipedia said:
Netcraft reported in September 2006 that eight of the ten most reliable internet hosting companies run Linux on their web servers.
Wikipedia said:
Linux is commonly used as an operating system for supercomputers. As of January 5, 2007, out of the top 500 systems, 376 (75.2%) run Linux.
Not to mention that Linux's market share has risen from 0.35% to 0.70% since January.

Of course, this guy probably thinks that Wikipedia is as reliable as the sky is pink.

One major disadvantage of Linux, of course, is its incompatibility with PC games, worse than Mac (which apparently is having EA port games to it now).
faces or a vase?
written by Tom on Jun 21, 2007 04:51
Geekofdeath said:
Of course, this guy probably thinks that Wikipedia is as reliable as the sky is pink.
Exactly.

Geekofdeath said:
One major disadvantage of Linux, of course, is its incompatibility with PC games, worse than Mac (which apparently is having EA port games to it now).
Wine and Cedega have done a lot towards remedying this, but Cedega is ideologically distasteful to many, and many games still don't run...but if you have Starcraft, really, how many other games do you need?

edit: and Noctis, of course, via Dosbox...
written by Bellum on Jun 21, 2007 06:35
The Electronics teacher at the Votech installed Linux to all his machines because the oppressive computer tech guys there don't know how to use it. That guys awesome.



...And Wikipedia is pretty accurate. You can generally tell if an article isn't worth reading.
doing pushups
written by Megagun on Jun 21, 2007 13:59
Noctis via Dosbox? How well does that run? My 500mhz PC can't handle that, but it can handle it through dosemu...
(Ubuntu 7.04, from which I am actually typing this reply. Fluxbox, using Firefox right now.)
Dosemu be awesome.

Also, I don' t know if you guys were criticizing (sp?) Wikipedia there, but myself, I'd trust Wikipedia more than 95% of other internet sources, and usually, you'll notice wether an article is bad by the style it's written in..

Also, Wikipedia is probably one of the select few non-community sites I happen to visit at least once a day.... Mostly for general " Uuh what is that?" stuff..

Yes, Wikipedia is god.

Now, for Linux: I guess plenty of people in my year know what Linux is... Once you disregard the girls, the Xbox360 gamers (I once asked a few of them what they thought about the original Doom, and they said that the models had way too many hard edges, and that they thought Halo looked better. Also, they were pretty puzzled when I mentioned X-com) and those who don't use their PCs for anything other than MSN and Myspace-like sites...
...generally the kind of people who I hang around with and who I have converted into using Firefox, and to who I have talked about Linux at least a few times...
written by Bellum on Jun 21, 2007 14:12
Megagun said:
I once asked a few of them what they thought about the original Doom, and they said that the models had way too many hard edges, and that they thought Halo looked better.
... Your kidding?
there's science to be done!
written by Yash on Jun 21, 2007 15:57
You have no idea about what you get from kids in our years.
krush kill 'n destroy
written by Geekofdeath on Jun 21, 2007 17:18
Bellum said:
The Electronics teacher at the Votech installed Linux to all his machines because the oppressive computer tech guys there don't know how to use it. That guys awesome.
Rottflmfao. That guy is awesome and smart.

Megagun said:
Noctis via Dosbox? How well does that run? My 500mhz PC can't handle that
I remember reading somewhere (it's funny, I only got Dosbox yesterday to play Ultima Underworld (I have a whole collection of abandonware now, just for the sake of history and the blasted heck of it, from Stonkers, Herzog Zwei, Nether Earth, Modem Wars, Cytron Masters, Dune 2, the Ancient Art of War to a shareware copy of Doom)) that Dosbox may run slow because of a slow CPU.... and 500 mhz is, no offense, pathetic. Mine is 3 ghz and it's only (heh... only...) 2 years old. It's the damn PCI video card that prevents me from playing anything new.... damn you Dell.

Megagun said:
Also, I don' t know if you guys were criticizing (sp?) Wikipedia there, but myself, I'd trust Wikipedia more than 95% of other internet sources, and usually, you'll notice wether an article is bad by the style it's written in..

Also, Wikipedia is probably one of the select few non-community sites I happen to visit at least once a day.... Mostly for general " Uuh what is that?" stuff..

Yes, Wikipedia is god.
Wikipedia is not just god, it's God.... or rather, the Internet is God, Wikipedia is the Savior. If you find wrong information, don't regard it as a bad source, edit it for God's (the Internet's) sake.

And yes, I look up things that I don't know about in Wikipedia all the time (though, for definitions, I use define: XXX from Google because Wiktionary is not uniform enough to be helpful).

Megagun said:
I once asked a few of them what they thought about the original Doom, and they said that the models had way too many hard edges, and that they thought Halo looked better. Also, they were pretty puzzled when I mentioned X-com.
Doom? The were all friggin' sprites, the game is probably older than some people on this forum.... of course Halo would look better.... if it weren't for Doom, Halo wouldn't exist..... teens this days.

Anyways, I asked a few people if they knew about Linux, only 7 (including myself):

2. Knew exactly what they were talking about (I am one of them)
1. Had heard of it, but thought it a different type of computer (like Mac or IBM PCs)
4. No idea.

Also, the "top scholars" (again, 7) of our school last year were;

1. Knew exactly what Linux was (me).
4. Absolutely never heard of Linux.
1. I don't know, he might of heard of it.
1. Has heard of it.

It is interesting to note that 5 out of 7 of the "top scholars" were string players, 1 of the remaining 2 used to play violin, and the leftover one.... well... his sister plays viola.

PS- Sorry for the string of long posts.
doing pushups
written by Megagun on Jun 21, 2007 17:28
Well, even on an Athlon64 3500+, DosBox is too slow to even fire up NICE.. Most probably because it emulates everything...

..unlike DosEmu, which uses virtualization to allow it to launch DOS programs under Linux.
faces or a vase?
written by Tom on Jun 21, 2007 19:25
Bellum said:
Megagun said:
I once asked a few of them what they thought about the original Doom, and they said that the models had way too many hard edges, and that they thought Halo looked better.
... Your kidding?
Well, I have to admit, Halo does look better. But the original Doom is just as fun...
krush kill 'n destroy
written by Geekofdeath on Jun 21, 2007 23:54
I wouldn't say it's just as fun; I'm one of those new generations that can't stand indecent graphics. Of course, that doesn't prevent me just collecting old games.

Again, comparing the graphics of Doom to Halo is like comparing the graphics of Dune 2 to Age of Empires 3.
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