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written by Mcwgogs on Jan 22, 2008 21:17
Hello. It's me, actually posting something interesting other than my art.
Some of you people might heard of sigils, and sigil magic.
It's a way of sending statements of will to your subconscious mind using symbols.
The subconscious mind then supposedly affect our behavior, leading perhaps to the fulfillment of the will.
This of course doesn't mean one can summon a wallet on a sidewalk.
(some people believe it can, but I'm skeptical)
But it can do mind related things such as inducing happiness, motivation, lucid dreams, stress relief, quitting bad habits, reinforcing healthy habits, and so on.

But first of all, it's fun and it's art.
And here's how you do it:
You make a statement, as clear as possible, you write it down, silly example:

I WILL TO DREAM ABOUT BANANAS

now you delete the repeating letters, and optionally, the vowels like so:

WLTDRMBNS

now you combine the letters in to a single symbol, and you tweak it, change it until it looks magical enough, and is easy to memorize:

The last one is a ready sigil, of course this is just one method, you can use anything that transforms a statement into a symbol.
Now you need to load the sigil into your subconscious mind.
To do that, you need to stop thinking. and stare at the sigil;
Meditating, Hyperventilating, Orgasm, Extreme Boredom, Diarrheaing at 4.am, anything that makes your ming go "..."
After the sigil is loaded, forget about it, return to your daily activities, and you might see some bananas in your dream.

I thought this is interesting enough to spoke of, I'm doing this for over 2 years no i think, and had quite some success with this technique, some pretty awkward coincidences too.
I encourage everyone who has some free time to experiment, and first of all, have fun!
wah... waall-eee
written by Magnulus on Jan 22, 2008 22:49
Hmmm... Well, starting off with a dream isn't a bad idea to see if it will work at all.

Does it have to have that structure or could it be a differently structured sentence? Like, could I just say "I will dream about bananas" instead?
written by Azuraun2 on Jan 23, 2008 00:06
Pretty interesting, though I personally wouldn't like to call this "magic," I'd like to say doing this creates some sort of psychological effect, but that's just me >.>

You say you've been having some success with this, so I don't think I can dismiss this until I've at least tried it a few times. I'd like to know a bit more about your attempts at this, but I'll try it sometime.

By the way, how long do you normally stare at the sigil? Do you have to burn it into your cornea too?
resident lurker
written by Ponder s on Jan 23, 2008 01:06
Hmm, that is rather interesting, is this related to your new avatar?

Azuraun2 said:
Pretty interesting, though I personally wouldn't like to call this "magic,"
Of course it's not magic, its just sufficiently advanced technology!
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written by Geekofdeath on Jan 23, 2008 03:14
Ponder s said:
Hmm, that is rather interesting, is this related to your new avatar?

Azuraun2 said:
Pretty interesting, though I personally wouldn't like to call this "magic,"
Of course it's not magic, its just sufficiently advanced technology!
No, it's just sufficiently advanced magic that your feeble mortal mind cannot possibly comprehend.

Anyway, I will try that sometime. I am skeptical to the extreme, but I know there may be things (NOT PARANORMAL!!!! NEVER, EVER PARANORMAL OR SUPERNATURAL) that are currently unexplained and can be eventually explained with more research. Ghosts? Meh. Zombies? Heh. Boogie-men? Peh. Witches? Heh. Vampires? Bleh.

I am 96.4% sure that these sigils will turn up with nothing noticeable to me. But I really, really want to control my dreams somehow. Being interested in virtual realities does that to a person.
rawr
written by Raptorjedi on Jan 23, 2008 03:19
Paranormal is generally a bad word to use, and I don't like it. From Wikipedia "In Latin, para means 'above,' against,' 'counter,' 'outside,' or 'beyond'." If people call something paranormal, and it really does happen, then it's NOT paranormal, but just normal Unexplained would be better.
written by Mcwgogs on Jan 23, 2008 05:26
Magnulus said:
Does it have to have that structure or could it be a differently structured sentence? Like, could I just say "I will dream about bananas" instead?
Yup, anything thats sound simple enough and can't be interpreted incorrectly, also don't use the word 'not' your mind supposedly skips it.

Azuraun2 said:
I personally wouldn't like to call this "magic," I'd like to say doing this creates some sort of psychological effect
That's how magic works. You don't need any belief system to do it, (it helps to pretend) A psychological effect is the essence of every magic working. Maybe someday a science will develop from magic like Astronomy came from Astrology and Chemistry from Alchemy.

Azuraun2 said:
I'd like to know a bit more about your attempts at this, but I'll try it sometime.
I'll post about my experiences when I'm back later today.
"Do, or do not. There is no 'try'."

Azuraun2 said:
By the way, how long do you normally stare at the sigil? Do you have to burn it into your cornea too?
Yeah, you can, and then you can stare at the negative afterimage in your eye, as it disappears.
People generally enter this state of mind for fun, not realizing that they can send a message in to the subconscious mind.
written by Azuraun2 on Jan 23, 2008 05:29
(For some reason my post earlier didn't, you know, get posted X_X)


As you can see I've tried this out >>>>>. It actually looks much better on my comp, but ABB stretched it out. It's not very good, I'm not sure I "loaded" it, and if I did, I probably shouldn't be thinking about it. Either way, if I find myself playing Soldat non-stop for ridiculously long periods of time (and pwning), I'll know it worked. Don't ask.

>.>

<.<

Actually, Soldat sounds good right now
written by Mcwgogs on Jan 23, 2008 05:36
It looks quite like my first sigils. But you should destroy a sigil after you load it, and forget about it, you'll remember when it works when it does.
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written by Hello! :) on Jan 23, 2008 08:01
Now, if you create the symbol. In reality, does the symbol get burned into your subconscious, or does the phrase? Or does it just create a path to the phrase? So that when your subconscious mind sees something that looks like that symbol brings that phrase to mind? Or does shoving it into your subconscious cause your subconscious to create scenarios that supposedly match the phrase?

Meh, it doesn't seem all that magical. I have the opinion that you will see what you want to see, whether you consciously create the result or subconsciously.
wah... waall-eee
written by Magnulus on Jan 23, 2008 09:02
Of course it's not magic, it's just creatively applied reinforcement psychology. By repeating to yourself that you will become more tolerant of others, you will become it. What are you doing as you're finishing the sigil? You're repeating that phrase over and over again in your head. When the sigil is done, that particular image will symbolise the phrase, and as Hello said, it will create a path to the phrase at the back of your mind.

As such, it CAN summon wallets to sidewalks, in a sense, because you'll be looking around for wallets on the sidewalks perhaps without even noticing it, and you'll be a lot more likely to see it if you pass one than if you hadn't decided to find one.

Now, I must say that so far, this has NOT been a success. I did NOT go to bed with Angelina Jolie in my dreams last night, and I'm severely disappointed!
Whaaat?

Anyway, I'll try some more that are a little more serious and go toward actually changing my behavioral patterns. I will use it to turn myself into a more diligent student.

Hmmm... I wonder... If I take the same phrase and turn it into a different sigil every week, what would happen THEN?!
lieutenant busybody
written by Fth on Jan 23, 2008 09:08
You'd probably get confused and Angelina Jolie would have bananas instead of breasts. Not that that would necessarily be a bad thing, because it sounds quite tasty.
wah... waall-eee
written by Magnulus on Jan 23, 2008 09:13
No, not the same sigil with different statements, the same statement with different sigils! Silly! Either my brain WOULD get confused or the phrase would be made even stronger.

However, those are some breasts I wouldn't mind nibbling... Or devouring whole... Maybe I'll devour one and use the other one as a spread on my toast. MMmmm.
written by Mcwgogs on Jan 23, 2008 16:26
Magnulus said:
it's just creatively applied reinforcement psychology...
Very well said.
This sigilisation technique is quite old, almost a 100 years ago, a guy named Austin Osman Spare presented and defined this technique, as well as automatic drawing and writing, years before the surreal movement did.

The definition of magic (as in occult, not stage illusion or harry potter like) as i accept is: The art of causing changes in accordance to my will, using unconventional methods.

Any real life magician that has successfully used magic, has tapped this psychological effect. in the past, people believed that spirits or energies are responsible, and some people still think they are.
I of course don't believe in anything spiritual or supernatural, I use magic and i admit it is a psychological effect, but i still like to call it magic.
It's a tool and it can be handy.

Oh and a dream involving sex requires a period of abstinence, so the lust builds up and the subconscious invokes a dream to satisfy the lust. if you want to control your dreams, you might try Lucid Dreaming, from what I've read on LD forums, sigils are very effective way of inducing Lucid Dreams.
Hello! : ) said:
Now, if you create the symbol. In reality, does the symbol get burned into your subconscious, or does the phrase?
The symbol is a tool to get the phrase to your subconscious.
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written by Medeivalstargazer on Jan 24, 2008 00:43
tl;dr whole thread, in kind of a rush.

Anyways, I'd assume when you see the image, you tie it to the phrase, so having it in the back of your mind would also mean you have the phrase in the back of your mind. It would work great for dreams, but not much else, imo.
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