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written by 4616599 on Nov 18, 2008 12:57
Now, I'm not sure if this has been posted before(probably not, since there're still occasional grumblings about Alex not up dating the inboxes).

Anyway, I've discovered something while doing some minor messing around with the files in the data folder.


How to convert your OUTBOX files into INBOX files

1. Create and locate your OUTBOX file.
2. Rename it INBOX (it should be in your data folder, of course)

Yes, it's that simple and blatantly obvious! Tried and tested:

You see, shortly after downloading Noctis, I sent in an OUTBOX file, unaware that Alex had not created any new inboxes since 2005. I still have that outbox file. Now, I realised that the INBOX and OUTBOX files had the same format when opened in Notepad! So I tried the steps listed above AND it really worked!

I'm going to upload my 'inbox' files now.



EDIT: Uploaded 2 files. outbox_1 is my first OUTBOX. This tiny outbox contains my first named system and some comments. outbox__2 is a small, more recent OUTBOX containing data on about about 100 objects.( I had a third outbox, mainly follow-up comments on Serpens' systems, which I deleted some time ago.) Simply download them into your data folder, rename them INBOX and you're ready to go.
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r'lyeh sweet r'lyeh
written by Neuzd on Nov 18, 2008 14:18
Neuzd said:
I used to transfer starmaps from one computer to another just renaming the outbox into inbox, move it to another PC, ran the inbox command, and voilą.
Yep, it was.
I tried to find a practical use of this discovery but as I already was saying in that quote, I only used it to transfer the newly added names from one computer to another.
A fresult I realize now it could have obtained as well with the less troublesome copy of the starmap file.

I'm afraid of people starting to exchange outbox this way.
written by 4616599 on Nov 18, 2008 15:27
Neuzd said:
I'm afraid of people starting to exchange outbox this way.
I don't think it's such a bad idea, right? Some fresh new notes for the GOES console would be great.
rawr
written by Raptorjedi on Nov 18, 2008 20:05
Yes, but then everyone is playing with mismatched Starmap files, because someone didn't download one or another. And then you have to look at the possibility of two star systems named by different people. That sort of thing is handled by Alex, not the game, which will cause problems.
rose pony is best pony
written by Starchaser on Nov 19, 2008 01:50
I have always wondered how to read the outbox files because they are outputted as a .zip :/

I haven't done anything with Noctis for a while but ill have a look at Noctis and its outbox.zip and Alex's inbox.zip and see what I can do*


*Probably nothing

Update: I have managed to read an inbox/outbox file but it seems to contain a shit load of data so doing it by hand would be practically impossible.

If only Alex told us how he did it. how to collaborate all the outboxes into one file.

I see how the actual file is read by the game it's just alot of data to manually collaborate.
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rose pony is best pony
written by Starchaser on Nov 19, 2008 08:47
Actually now that I think about it. Megagun how do you do it for the NICE Outbox's that are sent to you?
r'lyeh sweet r'lyeh
written by Neuzd on Nov 20, 2008 12:36
In another thread Cryoburner said:
While you're at it, add a script to auto-generate inboxes from submitted outboxes.

I can't help but think that would work. : )
Not a moderator so I can't move posts, but that's what I would have done if I was one, because your suggestion actually needs an answer and this seems a more appropiate thread.

There's already a tool for that and it's the Syncstarmap.
It has problems of some sorts: it looks to fail when collecting and merging GUIDE notes and I think it's dedicated only to NICE.
So why not try to politely ask Megagun and Shadowlord if it's good to revive the project?

I don't want to be involved into "offical" projects (to directly answer Cryos' question) where you have actual responsibility like decideing which star names are ok, which aren't, which one to choose if there are duplicates...

To furthere explain my position to Cryo: my projects are always written for me and me alone, even when they're public I may accept suggestions, but never requests.
I just want to know what I am doing and being aware that I can do it by myself alone from start to finish.
rose pony is best pony
written by Starchaser on Nov 20, 2008 12:38
Neuzd said:
It has problems of some sorts: it looks to fail when collecting and merging GUIDE notes.
That's the same problem I was having when I was trying to merge two outbox's manually. The notes wouldn't work.
written by Cryoburner on Nov 20, 2008 21:18
Neuzd said:
...where you have actual responsibility like decideing which star names are ok, which aren't, which one to choose if there are duplicates...
An automated script would need to allow all star names, though it might be necessary to have a moderation interface for deleting offending ones. For duplicates, your options are to either accept them based on the date used in game, or by the date submitted. Since the date used in game can potentially be adjusted, it would need to go by the date submitted. That wouldn't really be a problem if the outbox was automatically updated on a regular basis though.
doing pushups
written by Megagun on Nov 22, 2008 18:21
Neuzd said:
So why not try to politely ask Megagun and Shadowlord if it's good to revive the project?
I've been thinking about putting an official end to Noctis IV CE near its' 5th birthday (which would be anywhere inbetween I believe 10th of October 2008 and first of January 2009, just have to pick a date when Noctis IV CE (or, as it was then named, Hactis/Fixactis/SLBugFixNoctis) was officially launched.. ) due to lack of motivation to work on the project, so I fear I won't do any work on the SyncStarmap tool anymore.
r'lyeh sweet r'lyeh
written by Neuzd on Nov 23, 2008 18:13
First time in my life i get three consequential quotes while not being harassed/mocked/insulted.

It looks I went in the opposite direction of what I was saying in that post; I woudn't have posted this message where I'm basically just making you notice a thread I just opened:
http://anywherebb.com/postline/posts.php?t=4174

It's about getting again a constant new inbox flow as I wrote a script (read: copied from NIV source) to successfully build an inbox.zip from different outboxes.

I know it's difficult to be missed, sorry for this redundant message, but the fact is that there's pretty much answers for everyone who posted here, so...
See you there.
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