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written by Albeyamakiir on May 23, 2009 09:40
A mere facepalm is not appropriate here...
written by 4616599 on May 23, 2009 10:55
But the giant planetoid thingy whacking the moon does seem like an interesting topic...hmmm...time for a few Universe Sandbox 'experiments'.
written by Stiven on May 23, 2009 11:06
I think it would be awesome to see how it would really look if two planets collided.
written by Cryoburner on May 23, 2009 14:02
Actually, a popular hypothesis for the moon's creation is that it was the result of another planet roughly the size of Mars (1/10th Earth's mass) crashing into the Earth several billion years ago. According to computer simulations, the Earth would have been nearly torn apart by the incident, and the remains of the smaller planet would have been absorbed into its core. A portion of material ejected from the Earth would have eventually coalesced to form the moon. Here's an article at Wikipedia on the topic.
written by Barebones on May 23, 2009 14:52
That was before the astronauts, in case it is not clear.
night fth
written by Ferinex on May 23, 2009 16:31
Kids711 said:
Or do you mean Mayans?..
You are kidding, right?
meep
written by Naavis on May 23, 2009 18:07
I'd shout "TROLL ALERT!" if it wasn't rude, so...

He's probably kidding.
written by 4616599 on May 24, 2009 02:29
Cryoburner said:
Actually, a popular hypothesis for the moon's creation is that it was the result of another planet roughly the size of Mars (1/10th Earth's mass) crashing into the Earth several billion years ago. According to computer simulations, the Earth would have been nearly torn apart by the incident, and the remains of the smaller planet would have been absorbed into its core. A portion of material ejected from the Earth would have eventually coalesced to form the moon. Here's an article at Wikipedia on the topic.
I remember carrying out 'B-grade simulations' after I read that. If simple paper sketches could be considered simulations, that is.
written by Cryoburner on May 24, 2009 02:38
Ferinex said:
You are kidding, right?
Hey, don't forget about this thing. : D
night fth
written by Ferinex on May 24, 2009 02:50
Indeed, the ancient astronauts.

Actually, now that I think about it, the only reason I found out about that 'theory' is because I once searched for 'Vimana'. As a result of Noctis, of course. I enjoy some of the stories and 'evidence' they provide to support the ideas. The Indian stories about nuclear bombs and spaceflight are the most interesting, in my humble opinion.
written by Kids711 on May 24, 2009 03:07
Cryoburner said:
Actually, a popular hypothesis for the moon's creation is that it was the result of another planet roughly the size of Mars (1/10th Earth's mass) crashing into the Earth several billion years ago. According to computer simulations, the Earth would have been nearly torn apart by the incident, and the remains of the smaller planet would have been absorbed into its core. A portion of material ejected from the Earth would have eventually coalesced to form the moon. Here's an article at Wikipedia on the topic.
i agree with you~
journeyman
written by Stargazer on May 24, 2009 14:21
About ancient astronauts: there's a lot of confusion, misinformation and flat out lies about the whole paleo-contact scenario. It is pretty much spread out by people who are not archaeologists, and are only looking to sell books, generate hype, and/or find support for some whacked-out new religion of theirs.

Handle with care, be sceptical. I personally won't deny the possibility, but I find extremely unlikely.
written by Barebones on May 24, 2009 16:20
I once had a discussion with an scholar, who stubbornly insisted on the opposite extreme, that there was no spaceship nor astronaut, and this was just a figure picking up fruit or something, and that we have interpreted what it's not really there.

I am with you on the lack of seriousness of the ancient visitors hypothesis, it is just the work of media profiteers. But I can't see why (I'm not an archaeologist, of course) the Mayas, being precise observers of the skies, could not have a sci-fi imagination and dream with traveling to the stars. It's not like they needed to have access to high technology to imagine this picture.

I wonder how many of our own fictional accounts will be taken outright seriously in the future (the "Galaxy Quest" parody comes to mind), or just dismissed as illogical or impossible. Or how many of the ancient texts, including the religious ones, are today receiving a similar extreme (to either side) treatment.
rawr
written by Raptorjedi on May 24, 2009 18:16
Some Mayans believed that the Milky Way was the road to Xibalba, their underworld, so it could be anything. I doubt it has anything to do with aliens.


That being said, I don't think we can rule out ancient astronauts just because we have no proof. I'd say that if there is anyone else nearby, and they are capable of travelling to our Solar System in a reasonable amount of time, they probably have at some point. So while they may not have come during our time. I'd say that if there are aliens within....... 25 light years and they can travel at, or faster than the speed of light, either they or their robots have probably been here before. If they care anything about exploring other worlds with life anyway.
going nowhere fast...
written by Skinnymon on May 24, 2009 19:16
"Ancient Astronauts" the way it is presented has come to be a piece of tabloid-style journalism filled with, to use a recent 'controversial' expression, lipstick on a pig. I used to read his material, but von Daniken took too many trips to the well. IMUO, Charles Fort would have dismissed von Daniken as a hack writer and charlatan, though Fort wrote:

Charles Fort, from The Book of the Damned, published 1919 said:
Would we, if we could, educate and sophisticate pigs, geese, cattle?

Would it be wise to establish diplomatic relation with the hen that now functions, satisfied with mere sense of achievement by way of compensation?

I think we're property.

I should say we belong to something:

That once upon a time, this earth was No-man's Land, that other worlds explored and colonized here, and fought among themselves for possession, but that now it's owned by something:

That something owns this earth—all others warned off.

Nothing in our own times—perhaps—because I am thinking of certain notes I have—has ever appeared upon this earth, from somewhere else, so openly as Columbus landed upon San Salvador, or as Hudson sailed up his river. But as to surreptitious visits to this earth, in recent times, or as to emissaries, perhaps, from other worlds, or voyagers who have shown every indication of intent to evade and avoid, we shall have data as convincing as our data of oil or coal-burning aerial super-constructions.

But, in this vast subject, I shall have to do considerable neglecting or disregarding, myself. I don't see how I can, in this book, take up at all the subject of possible use of humanity to some other mode of existence, or the flattering notion that we can possibly be worth something.

Pigs, geese, and cattle.

First find out that they are owned.

Then find out the whyness of it.

I suspect that, after all, we're useful—that among contesting claimants, adjustment has occurred, or that something now has a legal right to us, by force, or by having paid out analogues of beads for us to former, more primitive, owners of us—all others warned off—that all this has been known, perhaps for ages, to certain ones upon this earth, a cult or order, members of which function like bellwethers to the rest of us, or as superior slaves or overseers, directing us in accordance with instructions received—from Somewhere else—in our mysterious usefulness.

But I accept that, in the past, before proprietorship was established, inhabitants of a host of other worlds have—dropped here, hopped here, wafted, sailed, flown, motored—walked here, for all I know—been pulled here, been pushed; have come singly, have come in enormous numbers; have visited occasionally, have visited periodically for hunting, trading, replenishing harems, mining: have been unable to stay here, have established colonies here, have been lost here; far-advanced peoples, or things, and primitive peoples or whatever they were...




i'm not forcing my preference on anyone, if you're interested, the complete book can be found at: http://www.resologist.net/damnei.htm
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