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written by Crystal on Sep 23, 2009 03:33
Hello ^.^ I've been playing Noctis on and off for several years now, but I've never bothered to try out the forums! They look very nice by the way. Back to the point...I own 3 beautiful Macs in my home and used to have a Windows XP which I ran the game on (Not Noctis CE of Noctis Plus, just Noctis IV). But after putting up with Windows for such a long time I finally gave up and got rid of it only to find that I can't run Noctis! I got something called Crossover Games that converts Windows Games to Mac. But I can't seem to get it to run Noctis IV... I'm not very technical so bear with me. Any help is greatly appreciated.
written by Cryoburner on Sep 23, 2009 03:43
It looks like Crossover Games only supports Windows games, while Noctis is technically a DOS game that can run in Windows. Some of the newer versions of Windows have trouble running it too. I don't have a Mac, but some others here do, so maybe they have a better idea of what to do. Some install Windows on their Mac and run it that way, but I'm not entirely sure what other options there might be.
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written by Speeder on Sep 23, 2009 10:37
Well, if you have a obsenely powerfull Mac (like the lastest launched one with a Xenon octocore) you can use DOSBOX.

Otherwise I don't see much of a solution either other than installing other OS (like Windows, FreeDOS, real MS DOS or something like that....)


You know, Windows and DOS way to work is waaay diffrent from Unix... So I don't see how to make stuff work on each other.
written by Cryoburner on Sep 23, 2009 12:26
Speeder said:
Well, if you have a obsenely powerfull Mac (like the lastest launched one with a Xenon octocore) you can use DOSBOX.
You probably don't need such a fast system. Stargazer and BMD were running it full speed in DOSBox on quad core processors in this thread, but I think it should be very playable using those settings on a lot of Core 2 Duo and equivalent processors as well. As I mentioned before, I don't have a Mac to test it on, but I'm assuming the Mac DOSBox to be nearly as fast as the Windows version.

Even if your system is not fast enough to comfortably run Noctis IV in DOSBox, chances are it will be able to run Noctis I, II, and III just fine. As I noted in my rather lengthy post in the other thread, they all run perfectly in DOSBox on my several year old processor, even with sound in Noctis II. However, for some reason, Noctis IV performs worse in DOSBox, and I don't believe anyone's determined exactly why quite yet. The only real drawback with the older releases of Noctis is that you can't contribute to the guide, and there are some features missing, but they also have some unique features of their own.

Configuring DOSBox for Noctis isn't entirely straightforward though. It might be nice if someone made a package containing a configuration file set up specifically for Noctis, with relevant instructions on how to get it up and running. Perhaps it would be even better to have a download containing both Noctis and DOSBox, all set up to run directly without further configuration or installations required.
doing pushups
written by Megagun on Sep 23, 2009 12:39
Runs like shit on my Core 2 Duo T7200 @ 2.00GHz using those settings by BMD, so I doubt it.
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written by Neuzd on Sep 23, 2009 12:43
Cryoburner said:
Speeder said:
Well, if you have a obsenely powerfull Mac (like the lastest launched one with a Xenon octocore) you can use DOSBOX.
You probably don't need such a fast system.
Sadly, he does.
I tried this solution on my Intel Core Duo 2Ghz (or 2,2? It's about 2 years old) and even if it is evident that the configuration suggested by BMD greatly increased the performances, it is still unenjoyable.
It runs at about 7 or 8 FPSs, which anyway is a great improvement versus the 1 frame per 5 seconds I was experiencing before.

Go for DOSBOX if your machine is powerful enough, otherwise if you really want to play Noctis, make another partition and install Windows, just to play the simulator.
doing pushups
written by Megagun on Sep 23, 2009 12:52
There's also the USB Boot Disk (http://anywherebb.com/bb/posts.php?t=4390 ), but that only has Windows tools, so someone with a mac (I'm looking at you, neuzd) will have to figure out how to make such a bootdisk using a mac..
r'lyeh sweet r'lyeh
written by Neuzd on Sep 23, 2009 13:16
Now...I decided that the solution for me was installing windows.....
You're mistaking me with another italian.... : P

No really, I don't even know where to begin...
A fun thing would be starting porting Noctis in other languages, the only challenging thing is translating the asm (and I'm looking at you, Peek) and implementing the same algorithms c uses for rand/srand etc.....(and I was already looking into that).
written by Cryoburner on Sep 23, 2009 13:41
Have you tried the older releases of Noctis though? They run perfectly in DOSBox on my 3500+, so I'm pretty sure they'd run fine on your systems as well.

Noctis IV also runs perfectly on the roof of the Stardrifter, but for some reason performs poorly inside the drifter and everywhere else. I'm sure there must be a way to modify Noctis and make it more like the older versions in this respect. There has to be some common routine being handled inefficiently somewhere, that might only become noticeable on very old computers or in DOSBox. If Noctis III can run perfectly in DOSBox, there's no reason Noctis IV shouldn't be able to.
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written by Ginrai on Sep 23, 2009 17:43
I just tried running Noctis IV via DOSBox on my Macbook Pro (2.66 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo) and the performance was exactly as Cryo described in the Getting Noctis to run [...] thread. It was playable, but far from optimal.

Realistically though, if you want the best possible Noctis IV experience, and in lieu of a Mac-compatible Boot Disk, I'd have to suggest you break out the old Windows XP CD again.
i haz title: speed-g-dof
written by Speeder on Sep 23, 2009 18:55
Or better, Win98...

Win98 use the DOS kernel (I know, it is bizarre and crappy... This is why in first place that branch was killed in favor of the NT branch), Noctis could run on it like it would run in a DOS 6.0
ah didn't learn anything!
written by Selbio on Sep 23, 2009 21:25
Megagun said:
There's also the USB Boot Disk (http://anywherebb.com/bb/posts.php?t=4390 ), but that only has Windows tools, so someone with a mac (I'm looking at you, neuzd) will have to figure out how to make such a bootdisk using a mac..
Assuming Macs do use device files and come with dd, it should actually be easier than on Windows.
written by Crystal on Sep 23, 2009 23:20
I've tried running Noctis III and II on the DOSbox, and they run fairly smoothly. It glitched a bit when I was landing on a planet, but soon fixed itself. I'm going to need clear intructions on getting Noctis IV to run on the DOSbox. Everything I try just isn't working. I'm going to try getting it to work on Crossover and tweak a few options this time and see if that helps.

Hopefully it works. But in case it doesn't then I'd love for someone to figure out the whole DOSbox thing. (Can't you already tell I'm no good at this technical stuff ) Thanks for everyone's input!
r'lyeh sweet r'lyeh
written by Neuzd on Sep 24, 2009 07:25
Crystal said:
I'd love for someone to figure out the whole DOSbox thing. (Can't you already tell I'm no good at this technical stuff ) Thanks for everyone's input!
If you want to someone "figuring out the dosbox thing", someone just did it.
I hope you didn't miss the thread that has already been referenced in this very discussion.
http://anywherebb.com/bb/posts.php?t=4458

The performances boost is noticeable to say the least, though it's still insufficient for appreciating Noctis on a most machines.
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