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written by Kehei on Jul 31, 2011 16:24
Hello there, stardrifters! I'm wondering, is there any russian community of Noctis? Or russian-speaking pilots?

Noctis was my greatest space simulation experience, and I think everyone (or as much as possible) should drift, track, cast, approach, scope and everything else. Many people lacking these exciting things because they don't know english as it needs to comfortably travel through space, and thats why creating (if it's not created yet) a russian branch will encourage potential russian-speaking stardrifters to join our Li+ party.

If such community exists, please, let me know, I wish I could participate.

P.S. Excuse my bad manners and poor language.
r'lyeh sweet r'lyeh
written by Neuzd on Jul 31, 2011 16:47
Your interest about spreading Noctis to a wider audience is admirable, but I don't think it would be a smart idea.
The main reason is because there is a community aspect about Noctis, represented but the sharing of informations about systems and planets that is the GUIDE.
Having different versions of such document will cancel the purpose of a central database itself.

From a more general point of view, English is the de facto lingua franca of informatics, people interested in computers and the web should really spend some effort in learning it.
written by E_net4 on Jul 31, 2011 18:14
I agree with what Neuzd said. Not only English becomes vital to use these days, but also that we must keep everything in one place. Besides, then the people would ask for even more branches, one for each language. And that's a no-no.
rawr
written by Raptorjedi on Jul 31, 2011 18:24
What neuzd said. I don't think anything good would come out of a russian only community. English is the only allowed language here, so we couldn't make accommodations for you, like a russian only section. That would also require a russian moderator and so on. Unless you left somewhere else with your own forums, in which case it would just be a group of people playing Noctis and speaking their native language. They wouldn't have any contact with the actual community, and russian language in the game probably wouldn't get accepted when updating the game with new planets, if it can even support it.


That being said, your english is fine, and is no worse than any of our other non-native english speakers, and there's many of them. Neuzd for example.
ah didn't learn anything!
written by Selbio on Jul 31, 2011 18:49
On the other hand, I don't think there's anything wrong if you want to make your own Russian Noctis community. But one doesn't exist, and I don't think anyone here would be much help in making one since none of us speak Russian.

I'm a bit disappointed in the people snidely suggesting that everyone should just learn English. Learning a new language fluently enough to converse with others isn't exactly something you do one weekend, or even with a couple years of learning and practice.
written by Cryoburner on Jul 31, 2011 19:15
Most of those who play Noctis don't submit entries to the database anyway, so something like that probably wouldn't be all that bad. I don't think you can even type Cyrillic characters in the GOES console, for that matter. I think there may be some Russian speakers at this forum, though they speak English here, and none have apparently posted in this thread yet. : P

You might also be interested in Space Engine, if you haven't heard of it already. Space Engine is a newer Russian-developed procedural space simulator, and has both English and Russian sections to its site. It's quite cool, and is kind of similar to Noctis, though it's very much a work-in-progress. System requirements are a lot higher than for Noctis, and it tends to be somewhat buggy and crash-prone at this stage, but even so, it's definitely worth trying if your system can handle it. We also have a thread about it here.
r'lyeh sweet r'lyeh
written by Neuzd on Jul 31, 2011 20:24
Reading Selbio's and Cryo's posts I realize my message can be interpreted harsher than what I wanted to, so let me clarify my position.

First of all, Kehei talked about a Noctis branch aimed at Russian speakers.
This will inevitably require the attention and support from Noctis source-code experts, which are quite few in number, willing to provide their time and efforts in translating and (if it's even possible) try to implement Russian characters into the game.
Considering that the most recently active among such developers are a Dutch and an Italian, it would seem a bit odd to me that the efforts are targeted to such a project.
And as E_net4 was suggesting, more branches/translations would then be requested.

There are then more aspects about the community than just the GUIDE.
Sure this is something that we can never control, and we can't do anything but feel fine about anyone starting their own Noctis community, but I feel personally involved in expanding the lore of Noctis.
If someone has to start their discoveries from scratch, it's a choice of theirs to ignore all the things that have been already discovered and put into a reasonable logic inside the Noctis fictional universe (the grid, CORELs, duplicate names, and those other duplicate anomalies which I forgot how Skinnymon's named them). But what if someone discovers something new, we don't know? I would like to know when something like that happens!
I know....this is more of a personal issue, but that's more or less the reason why I spent so much time on the starmap, building GOESXNET and proposed myself to update the SM and GUIDE.

In short. Kehei is obviously free and welcome to spread the simulation to whoever he wants to, my prediction is that it will be very difficult to have larger scope projects, like a Russian port of Noctis, done.
krasnyj bibliotekar
written by Serpens on Jul 31, 2011 20:33
I know that the Russian language-based part of the Internet is very extensive, and the language barrier makes it distinctly separate from the English speaking part of the Internet, so I can see why you're interested in this. Creating a separate Russian community would be a very good idea, and I hope that you're able to pull this off and find enough Russian speaking people interested in Noctis. I'm quite sure that there's at least one such person here. Just keep in mind what neuzd said - any GUIDE notes should be sent to the central database maintained by him, and only notes written in English qualify for this.

Edit: referring to neuzd's post above, I didn't really think of this as making a Russian port of Noctis. Simply translating the options on the Stardrifter's control screen would be OK, but a separate GUIDE and Starmap... That would be an issue! I still think that a Russian community for Noctis is a great idea, but apparently it's more complicated than I initially (and hastily) thought. I have no idea how to solve this dilemma, so I'll just shut up now.
rawr
written by Raptorjedi on Jul 31, 2011 21:02
They're welcome to try it, but my only issue with a separate Noctis community just for russian speakers is that it's separate. To me that feels like it would take away from some of what Noctis is.

Don't get me wrong, if you can't speak english I understand, but if you can, you should make some attempt to become part of the already existing community.


As an idea, if we get more russian speakers, is translating the basic commands into russian somewhere, so people know what they do? But really, this isn't a russian only problem. I think that's why things like the guide is english only, because once you start officially catering to one language, you have to start doing it to all of them you might eventually have playing the game.
written by Kehei on Aug 01, 2011 08:55
I agree with what you're saying. Translating game manual will be more than enough. I'll see what i can do.
written by Kynreeve on Aug 01, 2011 17:00
Oh, hello there, Kehei. I'm the one who knows russian 'round here, or so they say.

Ahem.

Dobro pojalovat' na bort, pilot!
"Welcome aboard, pilot!"

I know just a few russian-speaking people over the internet who played Noctis. Some of then are hanging out on Absolute Games. But you can meet a random comment here and there on runet referring to Noctis, too. Space Engine official forums, for example.

Anyways, welcome to ABB.
We do not bite.
Mostly.
i haz title: speed-g-dof
written by Speeder on Aug 01, 2011 17:07
People are learning my jokes fast

Now I need to come up with a new welcome message other than "we do not bite... much/mostly/most of hte time/etc..."
written by Kynreeve on Aug 01, 2011 17:20
Speeder said:
People are learning my jokes fast

Now I need to come up with a new welcome message other than "we do not bite... much/mostly/most of hte time/etc..."
Yeah Speeder, I remember it was your idea. Thanks to Malkom and his own welcoming message ideas we have some kind of motto now.
i haz title: speed-g-dof
written by Speeder on Aug 01, 2011 17:46
Kynreeve said:
Speeder said:
People are learning my jokes fast

Now I need to come up with a new welcome message other than "we do not bite... much/mostly/most of hte time/etc..."
Yeah Speeder, I remember it was your idea. Thanks to Malkom and his own welcoming message ideas we have some kind of motto now.
I imaginated it was Malkom that fixed my joke on people heads

Unfortunately in a not good way. (but that is past waters now =D)
written by Torisek on Aug 07, 2011 09:50
We should make Slavic Community (Eastern European?) instead of Russian one. I'd love to make one to Poles, Rus, Sloviakian or stuff, because we are one family in fact. :3 <- Polish.
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