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lost, not forgotten
written by Alex on Aug 14, 2021 15:22
That's the point.

There's a long long post about it in the change log, but the idea is basically that of migrating, because I don't feel like keeping Postline up to date, renew it or anything, it's just too old, I don't even remember PHP by now.

But I've set up this new home:
https://80.style

And it's... weird. What else?
But it could work.
In theory...

Meh, see for yourself.
I'm gonna hide in my box while you curse below, ok?

We'll have comments, eh?
In real time too.

They're just not yet there, but I have the UI basically complete for supporting them, I just need to do the server-side part of the comment system. I'll keep it simpler than Postline, so it shouldn't take long...

In the meantime, we can register accounts, start personal blogs, upload archives, do slideshows with photographs and anything that can be a jpeg image... that's already something, isn't it?
lost, not forgotten
written by Alex on Aug 14, 2021 22:28
Postscript:

I've whispered this in the chat, but I guess I'd better make it clearer... it's not that anynowhere's going down very soon anyway. It's not that... like... I've set a fixed budget to keep it alive for another month or something like that. I'll shut it down only when we're all pretty much done with whatever we'd like to take from here. Among which there's Postline's source code and database dumps, so I mean, in theory, someone could even think of setting up a mirror, though it'd be quite a lot of work, but in theory... everything's possible.
i do my own stun-- avatars
written by Albeyamakiir on Aug 15, 2021 06:55
Only complaint about the new place so far is that it doesn't work with my password manager. I can't paste or insert text. I have to type it.

Otherwise, it looks pretty neat! I'm always down to check out weird projects. :3

Bit weird processing that this place is gonna' go. I've been here since the chat was on the bottom and there were no clouds drifting past yet!

(Random aside, tho. In response to the bit in your announcement post where you ask if there are any women in the server: I dunno, but I am at least not a man nor a woman. Does that count? )
lost, not forgotten
written by Alex on Aug 15, 2021 08:54
Heh... it's no surprise it isn't integrating with anything system-side. It's... I mean, the system knows almost nothing about it, so does the browser.

Take keyboard input: it's all via javascript, all animated by the site's own proprietary code. What you type stuff in, and edit pages, isn't a "gadget" from the browser or system UI, it's basically an html div (and not a content-editable one).

Same for the on-screen touch keyboard, it's not the one from the Android, iOS or whatever system, it's "our own thing".

On the plus side, this all makes it a little harder to intercept what we type, I guess, through key loggers or something like that, because the operating system or the browser don't even know we're typing something in an input field, they just know we're either pressing keys, or tapping parts of a touch screen.

Yeah, it's a complete departure from what we had here. Text went from relatively small to HUGE, but you know... I'm getting older and consequentially a bit farsighted. I'm 45 now... I need big things to read comfortably, or reading glasses. Maybe that's part of what made that style attractive to me, although it's not just that. There's also nostalgia, and the fact that it feels outrageous (and hence, cool) to have a modern device work like a VT220 green screen terminal...

I'm astounded there's still quite a few "old" members like you here. I had no idea how I'd find the site, and I must say, out of honesty, that 80.style was originally designed with a single goal in mind: be the container for that webcomic, something to load it on, and that'd also be under my "control" for making specific changes and add features as needed, without relying on someone else's options on a regular, existing CMS.

But then... half-way through putting 80.style together, I though MAYBE it could be a successor to Postline, After all, I need just comments and the ability to host ZIP/7Z packages to wrap projects with. So I added those, went on to be completely clueless and undecided, and after it reached this level of functionality, I said... meh, why not? It certainly works better than Postline on mobile devices, after all...

Also, the black-background screen could be a good match to integrate an online, multiplayer kind of successor to Crystal Pixels, a mostly wireframe (with semi-hidden line removal) world where to build homes importing them from modeling tools like SketchUP and Blender... that's a vague idea for the future.

Uh... if you consider yourself neither a man nor a woman, then I guess it doesn't count; if you considered yourself BOTH a man and a woman, then it does and I'd count you in also as a woman.
i do my own stun-- avatars
written by Albeyamakiir on Aug 15, 2021 11:02
Projects can get away from us, yeah. ^_^;

Speaking of security, though, you don't store the passwords in plain text, do you? It's just, it returns the password to me when I sign up, so it feels a bit weird. They say security through obscurity can't be considered security.

Part of the reason I stick around is that the place is so unique, and my childhood memories of Noctis have a special place in my heart. I've never stopped thinking about, if I were to make a procedural game about exploration in a similar vein, what would mine look like?

Possible successor to Crystal Pixels maybe, you say? I am intrigued! But no pressure, of course. Follow your whims. :3

Alex said:
Uh... if you consider yourself neither a man nor a woman, then I guess it doesn't count
Accurate, yes. :3
I wasn't being entirely serious, but I also wasn't sure if you were just wondering about non-men or specifically women, and I would count if it was the former category! Most people don't tend to consider non-binary people, which, while it can suck, it's also an opportunity to be silly!

For example:
In your post: "Apologies, guys and girls." No apologies for me?
Some legal doc thing: "All men and women are subject to the laws here-in." I am above the law! XD
lost, not forgotten
written by Alex on Aug 15, 2021 13:39
Albeyamakiir said:
Speaking of security, though, you don't store the passwords in plain text, do you? It's just, it returns the password to me when I sign up, so it feels a bit weird.
Egh... no, it doesn't store them as they are, but I guess it either transmits them back or it's just client-side UI scripts that remember the password locally. Most likely the latter, but I must say I'm not sure 'cos I made the registration process a year ago and I don't have a clear memory of that. I might refresh my memory on it.

There's also the controversial, or at leas unusual, choice to NOT hide the password as it's being typed. And the choice of having only alphanumeric characters within the password, while requiring it to be at least 12 characters long.

But I just... I can't stand having to tell people "hey you need AT LEAST one of this, and one of those, and I won't show what you type 'cos spies could be there, or intercepting your screen from remote". Paranoia... it's a blog, it's not a bank account, I don't think it needs extreme security. Let's go with comfort ahead of some additional, marginal security.

Albeyamakiir said:
Part of the reason I stick around is that the place is so unique, and my childhood memories of Noctis have a special place in my heart. I've never stopped thinking about, if I were to make a procedural game about exploration in a similar vein, what would mine look like?
Better than Noctis at least in terms of graphics: that's soooo old... but I see what you mean, I too have childhood games holding special places in my memories. Above all, one of Noctis' inspirators, with its wide unpopulated spaces: Damocles, the second installation of the Mercenary Series by Paul Woakes (Novagen software).

Albeyamakiir said:
Possible successor to Crystal Pixels maybe, you say? I am intrigued! But no pressure, of course. Follow your whims. :3
Well, I had a weird "graphics engine", a few years ago, which was canvas-based, polygonal, with bright 3D edges, and semi-transparent dark surfaces. A lot Tron-like.

It felt... smooth, shiny, and strongly suggestive of an improved Crystal Pixels. I've put it away for now, but it has some potential, especially now that I've got that text-based interface, it'd probably fit well as an online add-on to 80.style, sort of... old-style VR where we could have geometric avatars and stylized landscapes, buildings, vehicles... and we could meet in virtual squares and chat, something like that... don't know if it'd be fun, or intriguing, or anything, it's something that'd need to be tried out to evaluate it accurately.

Albeyamakiir said:
In your post: "Apologies, guys and girls." No apologies for me?
Erm... sorry, next time I'll make sure I consider non-binaries after checking out what's a non-binary. Or just drop the issue about mentioning genders entirely. ^^

Myself I think I'm mostly hetero, or "straight" as they say that. But at the same time I give very little interest to sex, though I'd definitely appreciate females who could work as friends. I just... am not interested enough to actively seek out interaction.
lost, not forgotten
written by Alex on Aug 15, 2021 13:47
p.s. of course good faith is presumed even if you manage to type in something that's neither in English nor in Italian. In particular, people from anynowhere might be essentially incapable of breaking the rules by manifesting hate speech towards minorities or bullying someone else out of the blue. The rules are there to sound... authoritative and mildly scary, in hopes they'd withhold unknown visitors from feeling a little too much in need to exert freedom of speech.
i do my own stun-- avatars
written by Albeyamakiir on Aug 15, 2021 15:02
Alex said:
Erm... sorry, next time I'll make sure I consider non-binaries after checking out what's a non-binary. Or just drop the issue about mentioning genders entirely. ^^
Like, to be clear, I'm joking. It's chill. Though, if you're interested in learning what it means, "non-binary" basically covers people who are not (entirely or at all) one of the "binary genders", that is man or woman. It's mostly an English language umbrella term. I dunno how equivalent people would talk about themselves in Italian, but I understand you not coming across it before. Gosh, I'm getting wildly off-topic here.

Alex said:
p.s. of course good faith is presumed even if you manage to type in something that's neither in English nor in Italian. In particular, people from anynowhere might be essentially incapable of breaking the rules by manifesting hate speech towards minorities or bullying someone else out of the blue.
Cool, good to know! I might still provide translations if I write in toki pona, but I've never really been one to blog in the first place. So we'll see what (if anything) I use it for in time. It's fun so far. :3
rawr
written by Raptorjedi on Aug 15, 2021 15:25
So I have a request to make things easier during the... transition? Decommission? Sad times? An option to download all of our c-disk files at once so we don't have to go through each individual thing to get it.
doing pushups
written by Megagun on Aug 15, 2021 15:50
Here's a relatively simple way to download all of your CDisk files, using aria2:

1. go to your profile, then click "find all your CDisk files" to list all of your CDisk files.
2. Right click that iframe and click `inspect element` to open your browser's devtools.
3. Paste and run the following code. This will generate an aria2 input file and put it in your clipboard:
4. Open a text editor, paste, and save the new file as "download_list.txt" somewhere on your local drive.
5. Get aria2
6. Run the following command from a command line shell to have aria2 process the instruction list, which will effectively download all of your c-disk files:
aria2c --max-concurrent-downloads=1 --input-file .\download_list.txt
7. Wait until done...

EDIT: okay, this may actually not work as it downloads a bunch of corrupt files One second as I update my script

EDIT 2: Fixed!
lost, not forgotten
written by Alex on Aug 15, 2021 16:19
@Albey:
it's okay, I just trust you, or anyone from here, type in whatever language you manage to fit into Vanilla ASCII...

@everyone:
However, again, it's not being decommissioned tomorrow, give it at least a few months, I've warned a lot ahead of times so you've got time to do whatever you need.

Myself, I'll be taking care of my stuff in the c-disk, and recreate pages on the other end, but yeah, I'll be caring only about my stuff, I can't think of migrating everything else... honestly.
written by Kristos on Aug 15, 2021 18:24
I'm skeptical of the new site, smooth looking and feeling as it is, but talk of a Cryxtels successor has captured my attention.
lost, not forgotten
written by Alex on Aug 15, 2021 18:47
Currently, I have the "engine" ready and put it away a year or so ago, waiting for some convenient time and inspiration, but yep, it's a pity not to try it out. I might put up its test scene somewhere to give you and others an idea of how it looks and feels, but... for the moment, I'd prefer to prioritize comments to everyone's pages there, and give 80.style a generic chat hub, organized in topics.

p.s. I'd be surprised if many were NOT skeptical, it's... something very unexpected, I guess. I didn't expect it either.
i do my own stun-- avatars
written by Albeyamakiir on Aug 21, 2021 04:40
Oh, are there keybindings? I've noticed tab can be used to go one way through the available links, and left and right for the top buttons, but is there anything else?
i do my own stun-- avatars
written by Albeyamakiir on Sep 03, 2021 03:49
Wrote a thing. https://80.style/#/albey_amakiir/game_design/01_L_what_is_VnoctisLlikeV_to_meZ

Couple of things I noticed:

- Making a draft invisible is useful, but when I'm happy and mark it visible again, it doesn't add it to the "new pages" list.
- Small thing, but I'd like the ability to ctrl-left/-right to jump the cursor by word. I rely on that a lot.
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